Generational Gap - Where Everyone's Right and Everyone's Wrong (Episode 70)

🎧 Three Generations Speak: A Raw Conversation About How Technology, Trauma, and Social Change Shape Different Generational Experiences! Join three women ages 23, 50, and 62 as they explore how their drastically different upbringings influence their perspectives on everything from dating to politics.

Generations at a Glance:

• Generation Alpha: Born 2013–present 11 and younger
• Generation Z: Born 1997–2012, currently ages 12–27
• Millennials: Born 1981–1996, currently ages 28–43
• Generation X: Born 1965–1980, currently ages 44–59
• Baby Boomers: Born 1946–1964, currently ages 60–78

Through candid dialogue across generational lines, this episode reveals how digital connection, social movements, and cultural shifts create both divides and opportunities for understanding between age groups.

This illuminating episode explores:

• Why Gen Z sees tragedy as "normal" while older generations remember periods of peace
• How digital connection creates both isolation and unprecedented unity
• The dramatic shift in how different generations approach dating and relationships
• Why political engagement means something different to each age group
• The importance of listening across generational divides
• How social media shapes modern community building
• Building bridges between digitally native and analog childhoods

Perfect for: Anyone seeking to understand different generational perspectives, parents and teens working to bridge communication gaps, educators teaching across age groups, and those interested in how technology shapes generational experiences. Plus: Essential insights about fostering meaningful dialogue between age groups while maintaining respect for different lived experiences.

Transcript

Welcome to Mindshift Power Podcast, a show for teenagers and the adults who work with them, where we have raw and honest conversations. I'm your host, Fatima Bey, the mind shifter. And welcome, everyone. We have today with us Donna c Moss. You've heard her before.

She's here in a different capacity today. And we also have Ariel Moss, her daughter. So we're talking about different generational topics. So Ariel is 23, I am 50, and Donna is 62. All three of us are from in the Northeast of of, The United States, and all three of us are from three different generations.

So I'm gonna do something a little different today. I'm gonna break down what the generation what the generations are called and their age ranges because people are always confused about this. So I'm just gonna clarify it from the beginning. So the baby boomers were born between 1946 and '64. They are 60 to 78 right now, so that would be Donna.

Generation x was born between 1965 and 1980. They're 44 between 44 and 59 right now. That's generation x. That's me. Millennials were born between 1981 and 1996.

They are currently 28 to 43 years old. By the way, this recording is November of twenty twenty four. So if you listen to this later, those ages will change. Gen z, generation z, were born between 1997 and 02/2012, currently between the ages of 12 and 27, which is all the teenagers and young adults. And generation alpha, those are the babies right now.

They are 11 years and younger. They're born between 02/2013 and now. So now that we have, broken that down, Donna, why don't you tell me what you said to me that prompted this this conversation here for this episode? If I remember correctly, I think I was telling you that Ariel told me that for the first time, her generation came together for something happy and momentous was the full, solar eclipse that happened earlier this year. Mhmm.

She told me it was the first time that they came together for something positive in in her life. And she was born into 09/11, and she just finished college through COVID and a lot of problems in between. So it was it was nice for me to hear that there was something that they all came together for. So, Ariel, can you explain that a little bit, in your own words, what you had what you were talking about? Yeah.

Like my mom said, I was born right into 09/11. So I think my specifically, my year in my generation was kind of used to having tragedy happen, unfortunately. And, I think we're known for being pretty resilient. And so I think with resilience, it means that there was at some point hardship. And so this eclipse, just kinda felt like one thing that we were all a part of that had no, you know, good or bad to it, and it was just kind of like a community experience.

And, yeah, everyone was really excited about it, and it was just kind of the first time that many people felt like they were coming together about something that wasn't, like, so horrible. I think that that's a very fascinating point, Ariel. Most of the generations, my generation, your mom's generation, just anybody older, we don't think about the fact that this is all you know. Tragedy for your generation is the norm, and it is all you know. For us, it came about later in life, and so we have a different perspective.

And I think it's important. I also wanna mention, you heard the age difference between, Ariel and her mother. Her mother, Donna had Ariel at 40, so she there's a bigger age gap. Most people around Ariel's age, their parents are about my age, around 50. So well, roughly.

So when I talk about the differences between generations, I think it's important to to note that most of the people Ariel's age, their parents, the people talking to them about whatever, are my age, and then their grandparents are more more likely anyway, Donna's age. So, but back to what you're saying. I think it's important that for all of us to really understand that that is not a minor detail, the fact that you grew up just thinking of tragedy as normal. Am am I saying that correctly? Yeah.

I think so. So I think that that makes a difference. Don't you, Donna? If if I'm asking Donna because Donna's also a therapist, so she gets into people's heads a lot. Very psychological.

So it's a very, apt it's a very appropriate question for her. Growing up in a way where tragedy is normal, does that affect your brain? Well, first of all, every generation's gonna say that they had their own trauma. Right? I mean, the fact that we're I'm a boomer means that I was born out of World War two.

Mhmm. So can't each I would argue each generation has their challenges, and that's okay. But as Ariel said, we need to try to do a better job of communicating where we're coming from. That's Yeah. I agree.

In my generation, you know, I grew up in the eighties. So anybody my age remembers Breakfast Club. My favorite movie was I'm gonna Get You Sucka and, what was the Eddie Murphy movie? Coming to America. Like, I remember all that stuff.

You know? I was a a teenager and a kid during some of that stuff. So for my generation, we didn't have wars like you did. Right, John? You had well, no.

That's not true. We did have, Vietnam. You had Vietnam. We had Afghanistan. Yeah.

In what was it? Ninety two of forgive me. Yeah. Yeah. If I'm we're we're calling the I'm I think I'm naming the war.

No. I'm sorry. It was Iraq, not Afghanistan. Oh. It was Iraq.

But, do you remember any Ariel, as your age, do you think of war as something that has happened in your lifetime? Most of my life, I would say no. More recently, it's changed a bit. But I think growing up, I remember feeling like, you know, we would learn about it in school, and it sounded so big and, like, it was the biggest thing going on in those times. And I think that's partly the way we learn about it, partly because there was more known about what was going on.

And I always remember feeling like I I wouldn't even know if there was a war going on because nobody talks about it. Here's why I find that I'm sorry. Go ahead. No. That that's it.

Here's why I find that response interesting. There has been quite a few wars, big ones, in your lifetime, but the fact that they're they're not seen as a major part of life, I think that is something different for your generation because I don't think it's just you. I think for the younger generations, it it's not seen that way. Let's talk about one of the reasons why I think that's true, technology. Technology is always gonna increase.

It's always gonna be different generation to generation. That's always gonna be true. However, technology for my generation didn't really it wasn't like, you know, social media, your phones, being digitally attached to everything. That wasn't a major part of our lives growing up. We my generation, we were in our twenties before that really hit the fans.

You know, around the time of the iPhone is what most experts say is when the digital era really began to take a hold of our culture. So for you, how do you view digital stuff, like, everything technology wise? Ariel, I'm sorry. You know, I think there's good and bad. I think growing up, there were times that if I didn't have my phone, maybe, you know, middle school drama wouldn't have been so bad.

And Mhmm. There was definitely a lot of hiding behind screens. As I got older, I think I I started to appreciate it a bit more Okay. In the in the way of, like you know, you can connect with people. I don't live near most of my childhood friends anymore, and so it's you know, there's a connecting aspect to it as we know.

And then I think a big thing with that was during COVID, the way people responded to having technology. And I always said that I kind of appreciated it because it would give me some, like, kind of inspiration. I would scroll for a little while and see someone cooking something or see someone making, you know, arts and crafts or whatever it was. And I felt like that kind of just was inspired. Like, not it would give me something to do.

It would kinda get me motivated, which isn't always true. But So the digital connections you saw as good. But for you, do you feel like you've been digitally connected your entire life? Yeah. I think, you know, most of my life that I can remember, you know, my parents were always and, like, cameras were so new, and so my parents were always taking pictures and videos when we were kids, which, you know, now I'm grateful for because it's fun to see those.

But so I think it kinda started with that. And then when I was in about, like, middle school, I got a phone and, eventually, an iPhone and, you know, just kinda went from there. I I don't really, yeah, I've always I feel like I've always had one. Okay. And, Donna, when did you become digitally connected?

Because, obviously, your generation didn't grow up with everything being digitally connected to you. But Right. So like I was saying, earlier, I grew up in a joyful, free range time. Where after school, we usually I usually had sports, and then we just roamed around and around free on our bicycles until the sun went down and our parents called us in for dinner. So there was something incredibly carefree about that, and I think my friends and I agree it was there's something beautiful about it.

We we had a very close connection, and partly because no one was looking for us. You know? There was trust in the world. So but but the good news is that for me, I was an early adopter of tech, and that's one of the reasons why I can stay hip with the teenagers that I treat in therapy is because it helped the phone has helped me become more organized, which is a big thing that I, need support with. So So what I'm hearing is that you adapted to Yeah.

The new the new technology. You didn't just say, I don't need that. You youngins, you you actually took the time to to adapt and found a way for it to be helpful to you. Yeah. Well, I liked it.

You know? Because if you gave me a piece of paper, I would lose it. But on the computer, I I could I could thrive a little more in the work environment. For my generation, we we because I'm in between you two, and we grew up, with technology arising. So we had computers, and that was, like, a really big thing when I was younger because IBM was just coming up, and they were just really kind of they weren't in every household yet.

And when I was, I think, in college is when remember the old fashioned AOL Internet, which Ariel you wouldn't even know because you weren't born yet, but we used to have dial up when Internet first came on, and it was, like, such a big deal. And not everybody could really have it, but, it wasn't an everyday thing. So I'm kind of the in between generation where I I adapted because I was still young enough to be used to it. A lot of people, your your, generation, Donna, still aren't that hip on tech. Now I know a lot of people who are.

I know. Thank god I am, but a lot are not. And it was funny because my father called himself a media expert, and he couldn't click on a link even. He was a book publisher. Oh, wow.

But if you sent them a link, he was like, what is this? Well, he probably was a media expert for his time. Yeah. You know, for real. They they did things the old fashioned way and still read newspapers and and and all that stuff.

Up manuscripts that you had to send across the country this big by mail with a red Yeah. You're right. They would have had to do that. Yeah. That's a big, big difference.

Mhmm. But I think that, the digital aspect is a big deal. Now you were telling me, Ariel, I want you to repeat to the audience some of the things you were telling me earlier about, what you had to say about, you know, the digital era and and just tell them what you were saying earlier. You know, I think, like I was saying, it can, like, separate and bring together, but I think, you know, there's there's with parents and, like, different generations trying to understand, it I think it's really important to, like, put in that effort to at least be willing to try and, like, understand and learn and adapt like we've been talking about. And I think a lot of parents, I think, can be a little bit scared from the technology because if you don't understand it, I mean, you don't know what is going on and where you're sending things, and it can be a little bit scary.

And I think, you know, being willing to learn from the generation that does have a better grasp on that is important. And, like, trusting the younger kids, even though they're younger, we have a different kind of understanding with it. So I wanna go into another, I think, related topic. When it comes to dating and when it comes to sending out sexual pictures, I'm gonna be real for the audience adults who don't realize this, it is extremely common and extremely average for teenagers to send pictures of their body parts to each other, to be miniature porn stars through texting. That is actually very common for this current generation.

Tell me what you were saying about that earlier, Ariel. I mean, in my experience, it was, like you were saying, very common. Mostly in high school, I think, middle school to high school when people are still exploring and kind of, like, can hide behind the screen. And, you know, a big part of that is Snapchat where everything is temporary. So it seems like you can't save things, and that seems safe safer.

Although, we know now there's ways to save things and, you know, copy things. But, you know, as I got older, I think it became less and less, but I think it was definitely something I remember in school trying teachers and, you know, like, older people trying to scare us out of it. And they would do it in ways that we couldn't really take seriously. Like, they explained that, oh, if you send one picture, it'll go to some random man in the middle of nowhere that you don't know. And I don't think people at that age really cared about that.

Like, that wasn't really the part of it that was so problematic, although maybe true. But I think it was more problematic that, you know, your peers would find out or people would talk about it or people would see copies of pictures. And I think that just created, like, a big you know, it fed into that kind of stigma of that not being okay, and people would feel really insecure. And I think, you know, I think a lot of that's changing as, like, sex work has become more acceptable and there's less judgment towards it all. But as a kid, you know, you need to know the risks, and I don't think the parents really fully understood how to portray that to us.

Okay. That's an honest answer. I think that that is still somewhat true, actually. I think a lot of people in in your generation still don't get how how damaging it is to do that stuff. And it because it's so common, and it's like, if you try to do something later, it'll matter.

We see it all the time when we look at older adults right now, and they don't think about the fact that you're gonna be an older adult one day, and you're gonna wanna not have things pulled out on you. Right. You know But now if you privatize it, you can make a lot of money. Well, that that is true. So we have a generation that thinks that, you know, showing all your body parts and doing stuff on screen is is good and okay.

I know for my generation, it still wasn't. And I'm assuming, Donna, that you are gonna say the same thing. Well, yeah. I mean, I I mean, we don't understand it at all, but I understand it at all, but I can see the result of of it. I mean, I had a one of my earliest clients was hospitalized because her nude went around the school.

She was 15. She was hospitalized out of mortification, if that's a diagnosis, then she had it. Yeah. You know, out of just humiliation. Doesn't mean that she's scarred for life.

But a lot of kids I talk to have taken a hit on their self esteem through no fault of their own, just by getting too much feedback and too much attention on the wrong thing. Yeah. I I don't Well, there's often a person on the other side of the screen taking pictures, and that's they're at fault too. I don't think it's totally you know, most cases, it's like you trust somebody and you think that you can send something intimate and you're, like, exploring that realm of intimacy, but often it's the other person who messes it up for them and betrays trust. And, you know, you have to be careful, but I think it created a lot of trust issues with relationships.

And I think I see that now, you know, for a lot of different reasons. But you see it at even at my age, you know, boys are really hard to trust. And usually, it's, you know, usually, it's boys, but you never know. Well, yeah, that's an honest answer. And and I know that, I know that you're speaking for a lot of people when you say that, Ariel.

It's it's definitely not just you. Ariel, as someone who is part of that younger generation, what is it that you would like to say to the older generations, your your mother's generation and mine, the older people? What do you have to say to us? You know, I think, like I kinda said before, it's really important for us to learn from you, but also for the older generation to be willing to see things from a new perspective and, like, kind of the accepting of the fact that things are different and that we, you know, grow up in a different world. And just the willingness to understand that and to even if you can't fully understand it, understanding that it is different whether you can kinda get on board or not.

Why is it different? Why should we listen to you? I think we have a different kind of level of connectedness, like, whether maybe it was better or worse to not have a phone and nobody know where you are. There is some, like, bliss to that. But Mhmm.

I think as an overall community of a generation, I think we're closer knit than any other generation. Really? Why we Why do you think that? I mean, I think social media has a big role in that that, you know, if something happens, we can all talk about it online. And, like, that's where a lot of people are reverting to talk about things and to open up and to learn.

And so I think we kinda get a lot of the same information from each other, and it's kind of this, like, fluid exchange of experience and information and all this stuff that, you know, I don't think you could have before having the level of social media that we have now. And, yes, sometimes it's problematic, and that's all you know, we have to have a balance, but I think that it brings us together in a lot of ways. And like I was saying with COVID, like, I think that was a big part of it for me is that it felt like I'm feeling all these crazy things about what's going on in the world, and now I know that all these other millions of people my age are also feeling that way. I think you made a very interesting statement there that you feel like your generation is more close close knit than any of us, because of the fact that you can talk about things online, whereas we could only talk about talk about things on the phone or when we saw each other physically somewhere. Right, Donna?

Absolutely. And, and, yeah, you're right. That that is something I hadn't quite thought about that way, so you just did a little mind shift on me. The fact that you guys are able to communicate, specifically in that way, and we couldn't. And and I think that you guys are and you can correct me if I'm wrong, Ariel.

I think that you guys are much more open to talking about issues than our generations were because we were always taught to suppress things and pretend. I also think that you guys are taught to pretend just in a different way. Yeah. I definitely agree. And now it's like, you know, your parents and your family aren't the only people you have to talk to if you have, like, about growing up and about life.

Yeah. Yeah. You have kind of more of a community to reach out to. How do you feel about, our youth having respect for their elders? Having respect for elders?

Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, I think respect both ways is important. I think You know, I think there was like, my mom was saying something wonderful about not knowing where anybody is and just being kind of in that moment. I think that a lot of us look for that and try to connect to that and, you know, disconnect to reconnect is saying that I've always known.

No. I just think that we both have things to learn both ways. I agree. I I think I think it's I I think what you just said is is key. I'm still yeah.

You guys are able to to, communicate and connect in a way that our generations really couldn't on not on that level anyway. We could connect with individuals. There's some of us that did, but as a generation, no. But I also think that you you brought a good point about the the eclipse. That was the first time that your generation was doing something together with, like, together together with other generations too, and that was abnormal for your generation.

Not it wasn't it's not a it wasn't abnormal for mine or your mother's generation. And I think that's a a difference that we should be considering and looking at, for those of us who are older and, you know, trying to understand. And I just want to reiterate, Arielle's thoughts on we really as adults need to take the time to actually listen to the younger generation instead of talking at them. And it's something I'm constantly saying. You know, you really are you're gonna gain so much if you actually take the time to listen.

Now that where Donna is different than her peers is the fact that she is a therapist and specifically works with young adults and teenagers. So she already understands a lot of these things, but she understands it because she's made a point to try and understand. Right, Donna? Absolutely. That's correct.

Yeah. And what do you have to say to your generation? Right. Well, I was thinking when you were talking about that kid name, I think his name is David Hoag out of the Parkland shootings. He's now, like, an adult, but he was present for that shooting, and he's becoming more political.

And I think what kids are not understanding is that everything is political now. If you wanna have a baby, if you wanna vote, be able to to vote freely, if you want to, live in a red state or a blue state. Everything's political, so can't really shy away from it. You gotta be engaged. Otherwise, we're all screwed.

I kind of agree. I I do think that that is a valid point. Everything is political now. Where you go ahead, Muriel. I disagree.

Okay. Why? I mean, I think politics are important, and I think, you know, you have to be aware of what's going on in your decisions. But I think that mindset of that everything is political is exhausting. And, you know, I think you have to be able to separate a little bit and, like, enjoy the simple things in life without turning everything back to politics.

So when you say, well, this is what I'm hearing, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. What I'm hearing you say is that everything doesn't need to be political. And what Donna's saying is that everything has become political, which to me are two different statements. I am kind of in between both of you, actually, not just generationally, but even on the topic. I do think that, I understand why Donna would say everything is political now because she grew up at a time where everything wasn't turned into something political.

And right now, everything is turned just about everything, is turned into something political. But I also see where you're coming from, Ariel, in that we do need to care about politics, and we do need to make statements about things and not just sit by and accept everything. And and am am I correct? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And I think politics right now specifically are very much on this topic of, like, ages because Mhmm. You know, most of the candidates are not don't have the understanding that a lot of the young voters do, and I think that's frustrating for a lot of people. It's like a huge gap in generation between who we're voting for and who we are. I that makes sense to me.

That that statement makes sense to me. I wanna dive a little further a little deeper into something what you just said as well. You said it is exhausting to hear that, and I know that that sentiment is not just coming from Ariel. She represents probably most people in her generation with that frustration. The frustration of hearing the older adults saying, oh, everything's political now, but saying it in a way that is brushing off, brushing off issues.

Like, oh, you're just being political instead of actually hearing what the issue is about. Am I correct, Ariel? Yeah. Is that where the first question is coming from? Yeah.

I think it's quick to to turn things to politics before discussing it on its own. Okay. That's what I thought. And I understand where you're coming from with that, and that does make sense to me, where because in the in the reason I'm saying this is because it's not just Donna who's gonna say that. Just most people in her generation are gonna say that because of the fact when they grew up, everything wasn't turned into something major.

Some things probably should have been that weren't. And, you know We actually just have this conversation, my mom and I. Oh, you did I didn't know that. But But, Just saying yeah. Go ahead.

I I I I think that I think I I am understanding why, and this isn't just Donna, why people of her generation make statements like that. And I see where they're coming from, but I also see where you're coming from with the frustration of hearing that over and over again from people that are including that with being dismissive. Mhmm. I don't think that what she's saying is invalid. I think what she's saying is very valid because she grew up with a different experience.

But I also think that your your generation's feeling about stop dismissing everything we're saying is also valid because and and, again, I think that comes from not understanding each other. And the fact that when your generation hear statements like that from her generation, you guys do need to understand that they they grew up differently. They didn't grow up with everything being turned into something because we didn't have social media to blow it up. Mhmm. Right.

But That was the point I made to my mom was Oh, okay. Like, we you know, I've been hearing a lot of people telling us, oh, this is the most important election ever. And I said to my parents, I think I've heard that my whole life. Every election my entire life has been the most important election at that time. That's true.

And it's like crying wolf. You get tired of hearing it. Right. And we also had a lot more benefits right after we wanted to end the Vietnam War. I was still too young to understand that.

But after that, there were many years of of, sort of quiet until then we had that guess, like, where you had to line up for odd even on your license plate to get gasoline. Do you remember that? I wasn't there. That was, like, the biggest that was, like, the biggest thing that happened to us. It was terrible, but it was I think I heard about it, though.

Uh-huh. I think I heard about it. But thank god there were also lots of, long periods of quiet. That's interesting. I don't think the junior generation has experienced that at all.

No. I don't know what quiet is. Mhmm. But again, because of the digital connection, and I'm talking to the audience right now. I really want you guys to hear what's being said here and and just do some deep thinking.

This episode isn't about right or wrong, about portraying anything. It's just to plant some thought seeds because I think many of you need to understand each other, and you're not trying to. And I just want you to hear from a generation that's not your own. So no matter how old you are, you're hearing from a generation that's not your own between one of us. And I think it's important that we try to understand each other, at least make an effort at understanding each other.

It's something that all three of us totally agree on. You know, it it's important to listen to others and try to understand their experience even if you don't understand it. But the effort at understanding means that if you're making an effort to understand me, I'm probably more likely to listen to you. I'm also really worried and anxious about my for my kids. Like, what if, God forbid, they need an abortion or they Mhmm.

They get in a crossfire of gun violence or I mean, there's tremendous fear now for parents. And what were you gonna say, Ariel? I was gonna add on to what you were saying. Yeah. I think, you know, to add to that is, like, to remove hate from it all.

Like, I feel like I try really hard to remove, like, judgment and anger when talking about politics. Like, I think you we all need to practice disagreeing and not hating each other for it. Girl. Can you see that? Understand, and you don't have to totally agree, but that doesn't mean we have to, like, totally hate each other and not listen to each other at all because then no one's gonna learn anything.

I completely agree, like, a %. A amen. Can you teach that to some of these older adults who are supposed to be freaking adult, who act like 10 year olds when you disagree with them? I I it's just it's very frustrating. And and the crazy thing is I hear more to me, that's an adult mindset.

That is a grown up mature not adult, more so mature mindset is to think that way. I hear more of statements like that coming from your generation than mine or older. Mhmm. And I think that's a large problem too. And but I completely agree, and I think you're totally right about that.

All three of us agree on that. You know, we just we we it's okay to disagree. It's not okay to be violent. I think that's where the line should be drawn because there needs to be a line. When the disagreement turns into violence, then that is a different to me, it's a different topic.

But just to to agree disagree that I I wanna vote I I believe in, when it comes to money, what republicans believe. Well, I believe when it comes to social stuff, what the, you know, the democrats believe. Okay. We can have those conversations, but it doesn't mean I need to kill you. It doesn't mean I need to point you in the face or try to Or even dismiss you.

Yeah. Exactly. Even before it gets to violence. Or take away your rights. Take away your rights.

But if someone says, oh, I don't agree. I don't wanna have that conversation. Uh-huh. I think that's where the problem starts. It's like you should be okay with listening to something that's not your opinion and being a little bit outside your country's mouth.

But I wanna add, it doesn't mean you need to have the same conversation over and over again. Once you've had that conversation with one you know, two or three times with the same mindset, then you you've had it. But you're right. You need to at least make that effort, and a lot of people, they don't. They're just stuck in their ways.

And I I do find that your younger generation, Ariel, seems to be a lot more understanding of that. But I also think that you guys were taught you you were taught different values than we were, and you guys don't even see it. The older generation sees it the most because they've been around longest, obviously. But, the values that we've all been taught, they are all different. And I'm speaking in general terms, of course, because our own household individual, you know, differences are play into that too, but I'm talking about as a whole culture.

All three of our generations are just dramatically been taught different things. I always like to put it this way. Donna's generation, they grew up on Earth. They played in the grass. They were a part of the Earth.

Your generation is growing up on Mars. This other generation is growing up in a whole another galaxy. They're not even in our galaxy. Like, that's just dramatically how different, we're being raised as cultures, and I think all the more reason why we need to take the time to listen to one another. So if you're listening and you're young, take the time to listen to your grandma, listen to your mom or your dad or whoever who's a different generation to see how things work for them.

And if you're older, 40, I would say, take the time to listen to somebody who's 23 or younger and hear their opinions. They they're probably gonna be very different than yours because they're growing up differently. But it matters that you actually try to listen Because I'll tell you what, Donna, you can you can, respond here on this one. One of the reasons your patients listen to you, your clients listen to you isn't just because your therapist, it's because you actually listen to them first. Yeah.

I say I think that's a % right. It it does comfort you have to have an openness to begin these conversations and a willingness to tolerate some discomfort. Believe me. I don't like to argue. I don't get anything out of it.

Mhmm. But once in a while, I can get uncomfortable or get passionate without, you know, any interference from extremes. That's why she that's why she married a lawyer. I'm surrounded by lawyers. Oh, yeah.

I don't enjoy it. I I really don't. But it's But it's good practice. But it's good to have some confidence. Absolutely.

Well, I really enjoyed this conversation, and and there's so many other topics that I did not go into today because it would have been too long. But, but I I really have enjoyed talking to the two of you, and thank you so much for being open and willing, to have this conversation. And, I'm hoping that you listeners did get something out of this. Thank you, Fatima. Yeah.

Thank you. And now for a mind shifting moment. There is a main principle I want you to walk away with today, and that is listening. You heard lots of things in here. I'm sure you agreed with some things and disagreed with others, and that's okay.

The main thing is that you heard something different than what you're used to or different than your own mindset. I wanna emphasize how important it is to listen to people who have a different perspective than us. If you do this, it will make you more of a balanced person. Do you only listen to people who agree with you? I promise you, if you do, you have a very imbalanced mind and imbalanced thinking.

I just want you to think about how much do you actually listen to people who have a different perspective from you? Thank you for listening to mind shift power podcast. Please like and subscribe to my YouTube channel at the mind shifter. If you have any comments, topic suggestions, or would like to be a guest on the show, please visit FatimaBay.com/podcast. Remember, there's power in shifting your thinking.

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