The Damage of Our Secrets: Episode 71

🎧 Breaking the Silence: A Survivor's Raw Truth About Family Secrets and Childhood Trauma! Join author Delicia Niami as she courageously shares her journey from abuse survivor to advocate, revealing how confronting painful secrets leads to true healing and transformation.

Through powerful personal narrative and hard-earned wisdom, Delicia exposes how family secrets shape lives while offering hope and practical guidance for those ready to face their own truths.

This vital episode explores:

• How unspoken trauma manifests in destructive behaviors and mental health struggles
• The critical importance of teaching children about body autonomy and safety early
• Why "getting over it" isn't possible without confronting past abuse
• Recognizing warning signs of abuse in children's behavior changes
• The complex dynamics of family secrets and generational trauma
• Finding healthy ways to release suppressed rage and pain
• Why breaking silence is essential for genuine healing

Perfect for: Abuse survivors seeking understanding and hope, parents wanting to protect their children, mental health professionals working with trauma, and anyone carrying the weight of family secrets. Plus: Essential insights about confronting painful truths while building resilience and reclaiming personal power.

To learn more about Delicia or access her books, please click on the link below.

https://www.delicianiami.com/

Transcript

00:01.92
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
and Welcome everyone delay today. We have with us Delisha Naomi. She's lives in California. She's an author. She's an ah abuse survivor Edit I'm gonna start that all over again because I've slipped I'm And welcome everyone today we have with us Delisha Naomi Edit it's nice Yeah, I know I just caught that

00:23.22
Delicia
Can you say Niami?

00:26.54
Delicia
ah Thank you.

00:28.00
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
because, well, because of Spanish, that's why I do that.

00:28.69
Delicia
So many people do that.

00:32.41
Delicia
ah

00:33.24
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
When I look at that, I just automatically convert to Spanish. All right.

00:38.86
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
And welcome everyone. Today we have widget with us, Delisha Niemi, and she is in California. She's an author and an abuse survivor. And she has a very powerful perspective, some powerful words for you today.

00:52.85
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
How are you doing today, Delisha?

00:54.60
Delicia
Great, thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it.

00:58.33
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Well, thank you for coming on. And as you know, I like to dive right into it. And I'm going to start off with reading a quote from you ah that I thought is just so powerful. And you said it to me during our ah our conversation, and and ah I actually made a post on social media. We talk a lot in this country about drugs, crime, suicide, and mental health.

01:21.03
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
How much of that do you think would be non-existent if we empowered kids from a younger age to know that they are not at fault and do not have to harbor the guilt and shame internally?

01:35.16
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
and dives right into this conversation because you could not be more right with that.

01:35.36
Delicia
Exactly.

01:42.51
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
I think that quote just basically sums up a lot of what we're gonna talk about in this conversation. So, Delisha, why don't you briefly tell the audience, why are you so passionate about family secrets?

01:55.61
Delicia
Well, you know, I am passionate about it because I lived through it and I understand how it affected me now after doing so much work and so much reading and learning so much about myself and really looking at myself through an open lens with an open mind and doing the therapy and doing the hard work. I've realized that, um you know, not only have I gone through hell in my life and back, which I never realized before. But I i wanted to share my message because i I made it through. And not only did I make it through, but I made it through and I'm happy. And I am thriving as a person. So as a human being, I'm well-adjusted.

02:52.29
Delicia
individual and I have friends and I'm happy and you know there's no no issue with that with with there is issue with what happened with me but I've learned how to deal with it as a human being and I've learned how to deal with my my traumas as they arise and I've learned that through various ways so I think it's important to talk about it, to share it with people. And the most important thing about that quote and why I said it was because I feel like I've internalized a lot of shame.

03:31.42
Delicia
and a lot of guilt and I have a lot of like demons inside that came from things that happened to me externally um from an external basis. So I feel like getting through that um and being able to help others and the way that we do that and the way that we start is by talking about it. And pedophilia is so taboo in this country, nobody ever talks about it.

03:59.57
Delicia
and I want to be a crusader for that and I want to start talking about it and and telling kids that they have the power internally to no not harbor that shame and guilt and know that it wasn't your fault. I mean the first time I was ever molested he didn't even have to touch me so it was just he he made me watch him jack off And it was just, I was frozen. I couldn't move. I wasn't enjoying it, but I couldn't move. you know And it was it traumatized me to no end. And it just kept getting worse and worse. And I didn't realize I was being groomed. And I didn't realize all this stuff. And had somebody told me, had somebody talked to me about that, had I known you know that

04:46.74
Delicia
These things shouldn't be happening. You shouldn't be befriending somebody who, you know, is ah almost a 40 year old man. That's not, you know, a little girl walking down an alley by herself shouldn't be talking to strangers that are 40 years old, you know?

05:01.56
Delicia
And so I think in the at that time, it was the mid mid to late 70s and it was a different era back then, you know?

05:10.11
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Mm hmm.

05:11.22
Delicia
um And I think and and I hope people talk to their kids more now. um But yeah, it was a different era back then. And I just think talking about it is so important.

05:22.80
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
So. To clarify, you you were you were abused several times not just by not just once um you had ongoing abuse is is is that a good way to say it okay and so that became a family secret for you okay you're right that's a better way to say it

05:41.87
Delicia
I did, yeah.

05:50.40
Delicia
I don't know if it was a family secret as much as it was an internal secret that I kept from my family. So because of the shame and because of the internal shame and the internal guilt and feeling like it was my fault and feeling like maybe I did something wrong and feeling scared that maybe my mom wouldn't believe me, feeling scared that maybe, cause you know, eventually they ended up

06:05.55
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Mhm. Mhm.

06:19.07
Delicia
I don't want to give away too much of my book or be too brash, but like there's a part in Kissing Asphalt where she ends up becoming friends with my molester and I see them having sex. And it's very traumatizing.

06:39.59
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Wow, that's already traumatizing for me to even happen to me Yeah Well, so for someone right now who has secrets in the family that Well, they're secret maybe they're because it's not just you holding back a secret from their family because maybe their family doesn't know sometimes there's a secret within the family and Some do know

06:43.12
Delicia
Yeah, very traumatizing. So um yeah, the trigger warnings in my book are real. So

07:10.08
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
What are the signs that there's something going on and someone's holding a detrimental secret, something that's harmful to themselves or that's traumatizing? Maybe I should say.

07:21.27
Delicia
you know it's really it's really hard it's really hard to know and it's really hard to know when it's right in front of your face and I'll tell you an example that I'm not gonna name names but I will say it's that somebody very close to me in my life that I have to so my nephew

07:21.14
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
What are some signs to look for?

07:46.54
Delicia
um who you know um lived with my brother. i When I was 25, my brother tried to molest me.

07:58.96
Delicia
And I, he got me drunk and I got passed out and I trusted him. It's another thing. Like we trust people that we can't always necessarily trust, but I trusted him.

08:11.13
Delicia
And this was a brother I just met when I was 15. So it wasn't like I know him and grew up with him my whole life, but he, he got me drunk and almost molested me with my nephew in the room.

08:14.35
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Oh okay. Okay.

08:23.14
Delicia
And I didn't talk to him for like five years. And my whole relationship with my nephew was picking him up from his mother's house and spending time with my nephew that way. And I remember one time, it's gonna make me cry, but when my nephew was five, I went over and dropped him off for the weekend. And when my brother came to pick him up,

08:48.01
Delicia
he was screaming and crying no no no no no i don't want to go i don't want to go i don't want to go i don't want to go and and he was like grabbing on to me and i just thought maybe he just wanted to spend more time with me because we loved each other so much and i didn't think anything of it and then after my brother died when my nephew was 13 and his mother shared with him the fact that my brother got me drunk and tried to rape me, which was, I thought, so ironic to share with your kid at 13 years old. um But I talked to him about that, and he told me, don't worry, Auntie, I understand. And I said, what do you mean? And he said, he did it to me too. And I said, are you kidding? And he said, to oh, when I was little, like three and four,

09:38.96
Delicia
i remember and i'm like oh my god so that was happening back then and i didn't notice and i didn't even though i knew that my brother was a pedophile i thought he only liked little girls you know and it was just crazy that i still

09:44.29
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Hmm.

09:52.43
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Yeah.

09:56.30
Delicia
And my nephew says, it's OK, Auntie. And I'm like, no, I should have known with everything that I knew, with everything that I knew I should have known. you know and And I still kick myself for not doing something or saying something.

10:11.54
Delicia
But I i honestly, I just, it's so hard. you know It's so hard.

10:18.95
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
So what I hear, yeah, no, well, it it was.

10:19.26
Delicia
That's a big family secret.

10:24.07
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
So what happened to you, it sounds like the only person that knew was, was his mother or she knew because you told her.

10:34.28
Delicia
uh i don't know who else my brother might have told who knows but his mom knew because i wasn't talking to him for five years you know because of it we didn't talk again until until like after my mom was killed uh we ended up talking and i took because i had to call him to tell him that my mom died and yeah so then he he ended up changing and it's all in the books but yeah

10:37.84
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Okay.

10:42.04
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Yeah.

11:01.73
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
So what I, what I'm also hearing you saying is my original question was, what are the signs? One of the biggest signs is when the child is absolutely screaming in terror to go with their abuser. And that is a, that is a common thing. And it doesn't, I want to say this to keep the conversation balanced for those who like to take everything to extremes. It doesn't mean every time a child is throwing a temper tantrum that someone's abusing them.

11:31.32
Delicia
No.

11:32.09
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
But, right, when it's that strong, right, it not not just, no, I don't want to leave auntie or I don't want to leave grandma because she makes the best cookies.

11:32.84
Delicia
This was a unique situation. It was very clear he did not want to go with his father specifically.

11:45.49
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Not that, that's a different kind of screaming yelling than terror and fear, please, please, please, no, no, no. And there is a difference, but you really kind of have to know the child to know the difference. And so,

11:58.38
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Well, not always, but most, I think more so. So for those of you listening, I want you to hear that when you see that over and over again, when you see that, that, you know, that is something, but also when there is a change. Uh, and I've heard this from other abuse survivors, when there is a change and I'm talking to audience right now, there's all of a sudden a change in this person's You know, they were all happy go lucky before and now they're just seem kind of depressed when they get around certain person, even if they're not screaming and yelling, their behavior changes when they get around certain person or go to a certain home. There's something about that person or home that is traumatizing or or really bad for them. And often it's abuse of some sort may, may not be sexual, could be something else, but that is something that you want to take a look at. Um, cause some of these secrets, man,

12:52.64
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
All right, I have a question for you, Delisha.

12:56.70
Delicia
bring it I think absolutely I mean if you look at my nephew was three four when it started happening you know and maybe it's hard because how do you their little minds aren't really developed yet so how do you like make them understand something like that maybe they don't maybe there's a way I don't know man it would be really cool to write like a

12:57.21
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
We teach our kids to not allow certain things when they are young instead of waiting until they're victims.

13:25.67
Delicia
like a book for kids that like somehow makes them aware without like damaging their, I don't know, it's it is a very delicate balance, I think.

13:33.88
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Mm-hmm It is but I'm gonna chime in right here and state my very strong opinion on this topic Talk to your kids. I don't care how old they are talk to them about molestation and rape Don't wait until it happens to them a lot of times and I've talked to many victims a Lot of times these conversations didn't happen till after the fact and that's the problem The problem is when you don't address the issue the issue will address your kids before it's too late

13:57.05
Delicia
Right. Yep.

14:03.90
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
And then it's too late.

14:04.28
Delicia
Exactly. And maybe they don't understand when they're two, when you're talking to them at two years old, it could be happening to them.

14:05.15
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
the the Right.

14:10.81
Delicia
You don't know it, you know, I mean.

14:11.58
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
you don't have to You don't have to necessarily say all the the big words. You just simply say nobody touches you here. don't you know don't let any adults show you their private parts.

14:22.95
Delicia
Yeah.

14:22.98
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
It could be as simple as that because I promise you if you don't have those conversations with the children, the molesters are waiting for you to not have the conversation so they could be the one to introduce them to something and make them think it's normal.

14:31.29
Delicia
Yep.

14:36.26
Delicia
Or don't let any adult touch you in any manner that makes you feel uncomfortable in any way, you know?

14:41.73
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
yes you you need to have those conversations you can put your own words to it because all of us don't talk the same and that's fine put your own wording to that but you know to parents put your own wording to that but parents are guardians because not all kids are living with their parents so if you're a guardian i don't care who you trust

14:50.14
Delicia
It's super important.

14:59.81
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
make sure that child is prepared. I will personally talk about my own experience with that. I was never molested, but I do believe a large part of why I was never molested because my mother ingrained in us.

15:11.84
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Don't you let nobody touch you here. Before I was even eight years old, I already knew that those were off limits.

15:14.60
Delicia
Good for her.

15:20.30
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
And if anybody ever did a trial, even attempted to do anything, I already knew how to react. And I do think that it would have happened to me, because I could think of a couple instances if my mother hadn't already prepared my mind for it.

15:35.67
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
She didn't go into all graphic details because she didn't need to. I was little.

15:40.30
Delicia
Right.

15:40.22
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
But all of you that think your kids are too little for stuff, our society doesn't think they're too little for it. At two years old, they're watching sex on your phone, even though you think they're not. It's shoved in their face.

15:51.94
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Don't wait until the abusers catch them. Get your kids prepared because they're coming for them, whether you like it or not. And I know that's a hard thing to hear, but I want you to i want to tell you the truth because I want you to be prepared. And I'm very passionate on this topic because I have seen way too many victims that were, this conversation if it that had happened, they would have reacted different. It will not stop everything. It will not stop everyone. But what I am saying is that it can make a difference.

16:19.27
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
And the child would at least know that something wrong was done to them instead of taking that guilt on for themselves and thinking that they did something wrong or they're the slut or they're the whatever garbage that they're told.

16:32.62
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
All right, I'm off my soapbox now.

16:35.01
Delicia
Hey, I'm on it with you.

16:36.36
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
I had to say that because I think it's so important.

16:36.64
Delicia
um No, say as much as you, I agree wholeheartedly. We're not going to change things until we start talking about it. We got to start talking about it, you know?

16:47.52
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
I have a question for you now.

16:51.99
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
If someone is listening right now, they have been ah through abuse. It's now stopped, but they never told any anyone about it. Is it over? Should they just continue to keep it a secret?

17:08.03
Delicia
I mean, I guess it depends on the person. Um, for me, it wouldn't be over, personally. yeah I can only speak for myself. But, like, if that were my situation, uh...

17:21.09
Delicia
No, I don't think so at all. Like I would still be feeling all of the internal shame and all of the internal guilt. I mean, Hey, listen, my, my abuser actually came to the hospital when I first got diagnosed with Crohn's disease.

17:37.65
Delicia
This is in the second book, not my circus. Um, and he apologized to me about like a deep heartfelt sincere apology.

17:44.08
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Oh, wow. Oh, OK.

17:49.70
Delicia
knowing that he probably had something to do with the fact that I had Crohn's disease and the stress levels that he caused me and he it was I Remain friends with him because he was like a father figure to me It was a very strange dichotomy to love your abuser in that way, you know um But I think that

17:54.76
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Oh, wow.

18:10.57
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Hmm.

18:15.01
Delicia
had I not had those conversations, I wouldn't have been able to heal as much. And I've also done plant medicine, which is going to be talked about in the third book, um where I've my brother was in the room with me, but i've I've done plant medicine where he said he felt like the cops were going to come.

18:21.31
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Wow.

18:37.69
Delicia
And it sounded like there was a triple homicide going on in there. He had never heard the guttural screams coming out of me. Like he had heard before. And when I, when I came out of it, I didn't have a voice. And I said, I don't know why I'm hoarse. And they both started laughing. Cause, and then when I started thinking about it days later, I realized that like.

18:59.80
Delicia
I think, and this might be really weird, but I think I went to the underworld where all of my molesters are already dead. And I just like unleashed my rage on them, like in a major way. And it was like, you know, my brother, my main molester and my uncle, and I just um unleashed on them. And I think that's, it just this, I even after all the work I did,

19:29.37
Delicia
And after all the therapy I've done, I still had this like incredible rage in me from what had happened to me and the fact that I had been violated on such a major level, you know?

19:46.52
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Edit what was it that you said you were on because I was reading and I didn't hear what you said No, what what did you just say what did you just say No, I'm asking what you said I'm not not what you did just done in the recording Yeah, because I missed that because I was looking at them.

19:52.90
Delicia
This particular time, I mean, I've done a lot of things. I've done breath work. I've done i've done mushrooms. But this particular time, it it's called Bufo or Sapo. And it's actually what I said for...

20:08.68
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
I miss you said you came out screaming came out of what I

20:13.60
Delicia
Oh, out of this trip that I was on with the plant medicine, um

20:17.52
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Okay, that's what I thought, you but you didn't state what kind of medicine it was. You just said plant medicine.

20:21.78
Delicia
It's Bufo, Sappho, it's like...

20:23.46
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
No, but no, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking what you said. Cause I missed it just now. I missed it just now because I was looking at the ah interview sheet.

20:30.37
Delicia
Oh, what I said was that the that I unleashed, I feel like I went to the underworld during that time and I figured it out a few days later. I feel like I went to the underworld and I unleashed my rage on my molesters.

20:44.76
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
That's what it felt like.

20:45.23
Delicia
and yeah and that it was like because they're all dead it was my brother and uh my main molester and then my uncle who also molested me and i just felt like i just unleashed on them you know and i i feel like i had less rage i guess towards it i feel like

20:47.03
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. And do you feel like there was a difference after that?

21:09.31
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
It was more about getting that rage out.

21:11.32
Delicia
Like I let them know how I felt about what they did to me and that it was not cool.

21:13.49
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

21:15.76
Delicia
And that, you know, basically they could all go F themselves.

21:16.08
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Mm-hmm.

21:21.42
Delicia
And I just, you know, I really just let them have it and it and it felt great to be able to do that.

21:22.57
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Mm-hmm.

21:28.75
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
And that release is important. and And everybody doesn't need to release in the same way.

21:34.08
Delicia
No.

21:34.10
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
but But that release is important because you just answered that. The question I asked was, if something is you know something happened a long time ago, it's in the past,

21:48.51
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
ah Should we confront them or does it still affect us? And the answer is absolutely still affects us. And I will add to that 100% of the time it still affects you until you deal with it.

21:59.90
Delicia
Yeah.

22:00.93
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
I always say, if you don't deal with the issue, the issues will deal with you. And until you deal with the issue, the issue is already dealing with you. It's already affecting your life. It's already affecting your relationship. It's even affecting your job because it's affecting how you think.

22:13.55
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
And until you deal with it, how you whether or not you need to confront and how you confront that's going to be different and again i'm talking to the audience with this piece that's going to be different for each one of us um i agree with daleisha and that each one of you the answer is going to be slightly different but burying it because it it happened a long time ago so it's over it's not over until you confront it 100 of time it is not over do you confront it in one way or another if you can't confront them you might need to write it out you might need to go

22:45.83
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
door and axe going to one of those uh what do you what do you call those a those anger management things where you just destroy things until you get it out you need to do so yes that's what they're called and it's okay to do something like that but we all need to do something like that because those secrets that were hold that you're holding on to they're

22:52.86
Delicia
Oh it's a break room. I've done them before.

23:05.99
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
They're doing more damage than you realize because that damage is internal just because you're smiling on the outside You might have money. You might have fame. You might have status. You might be okay on the outside or so it seems it's affecting you on the inside because it's still eating you and That's so important.

23:24.26
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
So You you you can but once we once we face

23:24.59
Delicia
I did that for a long time. Fake it till you make it.

23:34.45
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
once we actually face that demon in the face, that's when we can and but begin to climb over what we've been under.

23:38.26
Delicia
Mm hmm. That's right. That's right.

23:43.22
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
um And it sounds like that's what happened for you.

23:43.65
Delicia
That's when the real healing begins.

23:45.82
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
I'm sorry, say it again.

23:46.36
Delicia
That's when the real healing begins.

23:48.19
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Eggs, exactly. And that sounds like that's what happened for you.

23:50.92
Delicia
Yep.

23:51.13
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
So you've you you've referred to your book a couple of times. So tell us what it is that you do um and how can people find you.

24:01.16
Delicia
So I have written a memoir trilogy series called Resilient AF, and the first book is called Kissing Asphalt. It's out and available on all different formats, including audiobook, and you can find it everywhere on Apple Books, whatnot. The same, us the next book is called Not My Circus, and the audiobook will be coming out soon, but it's available on all other formats right now, but probably in a couple months the audiobook will be available. um And then the third book,

24:31.26
Delicia
which is the last and final book in the series, is called The Queen of Silver Linings. And I hope that will be out on my birthday in March of next year. And you can find me at DelishaNiami.com, which ah is D-E-L-I-C-I-A-N-I-A-M-I dot.com, or Delisha Niami author on Instagram and on Facebook. I am, I'm as,

25:00.84
Delicia
as many places and on TikTok too. so

25:03.98
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
All of that is on her website, deletionniami.com, which will be in the podcast description um or show notes. And um there's so much more. I wanted to to to really kind of talk about this podcast, but we want to keep it to a reasonable attention span. So um we're ending it here. but I hope that all of you heard some of, you only heard a teeny, teeny, tiny piece of her story, actually.

25:34.99
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
There's a lot more. So I do recommend that you take a look at her books. Um, there's a lot more details in there and a lot more. Um, I would say you want to sit down while you're reading it.

25:46.83
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
She's got, she's got a lot more to say. Um, and she's very passionate about helping others through their trauma, uh, through her, through her story.

25:53.23
Delicia
And just I have to say one more time that the trigger warnings are what are real because they have triggered people, um which I think in a good way.

25:58.76
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Yeah.

26:02.06
Delicia
So I mean, one guy told me who apparently had a way worse life than me. He had been locked in a basement and abused and all this stuff. And he goes, and i and I never mentioned therapy once in my first book.

26:14.56
Delicia
And he only read my first book. And he goes, and he's older than I am. And he goes, you know, I never thought about therapy until I read your book.

26:21.63
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Wow.

26:22.67
Delicia
Wow.

26:22.84
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
That just shows how effective it can be. And that's, I love that. I love that. Um, I do recommend that all of you read her books. you You do. She's very, as you can see, unfiltered and just, you need to take it in doses, but I think it's can be powerful.

26:39.79
Fatima Bey The MindShifter
Um, just learning her story and what, what she's gone through. And even if you haven't been abused in the way that she has, I still think there's something to learn from her story. So thank you again, Delisha, for coming on, and we appreciate it.

26:53.70
Delicia
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.